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Topic: Dr. Gelb slimed on antipolygraph.org
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polyops
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posted 01-19-2003 07:07 AM
 
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polyops
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posted 01-23-2003 07:55 AM
Dr. Gelb, please say it ain't so!IP: Logged |
lielabs
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posted 01-27-2003 03:11 AM
Polyops,It appears that "Dr" Gelb has phony credentials. Laselle University has no record of Ed attending or obtaining a Masters or Phd. This is a major concern that such a high profile examiner would be deceptive and market himself this way. If this is wrong please clarify. IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 02-06-2003 03:21 PM
I say "consider the source". Ed Gelb has never given any of us reason to doubt his credentials. We owe him the benefit of the doubt until factual information is obtained. It would be nice to hear from Ed himself on this issue.IP: Logged |
polyops
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posted 02-09-2003 05:21 AM
Ted,That was my thinking, too ("consider the source") when I first posted this. But my opinion has changed. Given Gelb's lack of anything resembling a response, I can't give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. Pardon my French, but applying the Cheech and Chong Taxonomic Methodology: if it looks like dogsh!t, smells like dogsh!t, and tastes like dogsh!t, it's probably dogsh!t. ------------------
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Ted Todd
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posted 02-27-2003 11:33 AM
I have done some more checking on this issue and I feel it is worthy of another post. No, I have not heard from the good doctor on the issue, nor do I expect to as I will explain.This is about the fourth or fifth time "Georgeous George" and the polygraph pundits have taken a shot at Dr. Gelb and his credentials. When they don't have Dr. Gelb in their crosshairs, they are taking shots Cleve Backster or other high profile polygraph experts. Dr. Gelb has conducted tests and testified in hundreds of high profile cases. Do you think for ONE MINUTE that if his credentials were not valid, that some F. Lee Bailey defense whore would not have rammed it right down his throat? DO you think that 60 Minutes would not have jumped on it in a heart beat? Do you think that the FBI or the California Department Of Justice would not have already slapped the cuffs on the good doctor for criminal perjury? OK you say....but why the silence from the Gelb Camp? Again I say, "consider the source." Why should Dr. Gelb lower himself to respond to trash talk from some jerk like George or one of many stooges like "Batman". I think after looking into this a bit, I have even more respect for Dr. Gelb for not responding. If the criticism had come from anybody important, or anybody with an IQ greater than 50, I think Dr. Gelb would have responded immediately. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it! Ted
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J.B. McCloughan
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posted 02-27-2003 10:14 PM
I would like to second that. However, I know for a fact that there are people on this closed sites with IQ's higher then 50. F. Lee Bailey and Ed Gelb have probably been on the same team more then the opposite. The advent of the information highway has made some rather difficult information to obtain very easy to obtain. Abraham Lincoln once posed a question similar to your suggestion of source of information. If you called a dogs tail a leg, how many legs would it have. The answer is four. No matter what you call a dogs tail, it is still just a tail. In other words, facts at hand are just that. It would appear from all the investigations done by both anti and pro that a similar conclusion has been come to thus far. I feel that this matter needs to be closed. Regardless of Ed Gelb’s credentials, there needs to be a stop put to all the negative attention it is bringing to the profession.
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Ted Todd
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posted 02-28-2003 08:34 AM
JBI apologise for the way I worded that. I was refering to the "I.Q. challenged" contributors on the anti site.......not our own people. I have the upmost respect for all of you! Ted IP: Logged |
polyops
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posted 03-04-2003 08:51 AM
J.B., I agree that Ed Gelb should lay this question to rest if not for his own sake, then for the sake of the polygraph profession. I can understand why he might choose not to post on the anti site. But why not here?------------------
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polyops
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posted 06-23-2003 06:38 AM
Unfortunately, it looks like the antis were right all along about Gelb.------------------
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lielabs
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posted 07-03-2003 02:31 AM
All,Ed is a good examiner no doubt. However to present yourself as a Phd when you are not has to say something about your ethics. Has anyone ever been to court and had their credentials checked out before hand that they are aware of? Do the courts conduct background checks on an expert witness to verify their credentials?
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LouRovner
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posted 07-08-2003 04:23 PM
Lielabs,I'm not sure whether the court checks out credentials. However, whenever I testify, I swear that my testimony will be the truth, the whole truth, etc. I always assumed that lying in that circumstance was a criminal offense. As such, I can't believe that Ed Gelb is misrepresenting anything. For my money he's one of the most outstanding people in our profession, a past president of APA, and a man who is always at the forefront of our technologies. I will give him the benefit of the doubt long before I'll give it to that slime ball at antipolygraph.org. ------------------
Louis Rovner, Ph.D.
Rovner & Associates
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polyops
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posted 07-09-2003 12:44 AM
Lou,I wish there was a benefit of the doubt to give to Ed Gelb, but I don't think there is any. He may not have lied in court about any polygraph examinations, but the Ph.D. he has been claiming to have for years is bogus. Look here:
http://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-036.shtml ------------------
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LouRovner
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posted 07-09-2003 02:38 AM
I'm truly surprised that you would waste even a minute of your time reading any of the garbage that Maschke publishes. For whatever it's worth, what are Maschke's credentials? Who is he anyway? The polygraph profession would do well to have more people like Ed Gelb. Let's spend more time talking about the strengths and contributions of people like Ed. Jerks like Maschke simply don't deserve any of our time. However, if you think he is worth your time, I propose an investigation of Maschke. Who is he and why does he spend so much time and energy trying to weaken an important and honorable profession? Is he an honorable man himself? Has he contributed anything worthwhile to society? Has he, as some have said, failed multiple polygraph exams? Let's turn the spotlight on Maschke and save our negativity for those who would do us harm. ------------------
Louis Rovner, Ph.D.
Rovner & Associates
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polyops
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posted 07-09-2003 09:37 AM
Lou,I make it a point to check the anti site on a regular basis based on the principle "know your enemy." While I take issue with most of what Maschke spouts off, I don't think it is reasonable to dismiss something just because Maschke said it either. For example, I don't think he made up Gelb's resume...
http://www.antipolygraph.org/articles/gelb-resume-2002.pdf Respectfully, Lou, I think the facts that the antis put together on Gelb speak for themselves, and Gelb's silence on this is damning. If you know for a fact that Gelb didn't get his Ph.D. at a diploma mill, I hope you'll clue me in. I honestly would be delighted to be proven wrong on this, because I think it's a great embarrassment to our profession if true.
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